Those issues are reasonable concerns. We use more traditional music. I was asked to consider the more contemporary hymns by other baby boomers such as myself, but I indicated that those younger than we are don't like them.
I don't do the turn around and greet your neighbor at Mass as I don't like it either..
I have a friend who celebrates the Anglican Ordinariate Mass, former Anglican now Catholic, and I appreciate what he does. He is also just a wealth of info.
'The next pope may lift some of the restrictions, but he will most likely not return us to those days because that would give people the world the way they want it that would be truly demonic.'
No, he won't do that. If one wonders why there are 'dissidents" it is because those who prefer to worship with the Mass of the Ages is because it fostered the majority of the great saints of Catholicism. That they, (traditional minded Catholics) are constantly berated by the hierarchy for just wishing to go about their Catholic lives in the ,manner that Catholics did before the tumult of Vatican II is obvious; Look at what has been lost in terms of Mass attendance, belief in the True Presence of the Eucharist, vocations, etc. What good has cone from VCII and it's novelties?? As a priset I know said to me that one can only receive graces from the OF Mass, in so far as they can enter into those graces. I, for one, cannot do as well with the OF as opposed to the EF Mass.
Thank you for reading and commenting. "it fostered the majority of the great saints of Catholicism."
Actually that is not fully true. The Mass from the Council of Trent brought a unity to the celebration of the Mass. Many great saints did not celebrate or participate in that Mass—i.e. any saint who lived before the 16th Century such as St. Francis of Assisi, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Great, St. Athanasius, etc., etc., etc.
"That they, (traditional minded Catholics) are constantly berated by the hierarchy for just wishing to go about their Catholic lives in the ,manner that Catholics did before the tumult of Vatican II is obvious."
Traditionally minded Catholics is not the issue. It is the attitudes that celebrate the idea that "Many are going to Hell unlike us," and the "We are the true Catholics unlike them."
"Look at what has been lost . . ."
The cause of those changes is not the Mass, it is the lack of full understanding of what the Church actually teaches and the lack of ability to explain it that left people to leave. That preceded Vatican II. Granted there were novelties in the beginning but I have not seen all these strange liturgies I keep hearing people discuss. It certainly does not happen at St. Anthony Parish here in Allston.
For example: One famous blogger said I support clown masses which I do not. There is a parish in Florida near the home of the Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus. Current and retired circus employees and performers go to Mass there. They are not in their 'uniform'. Because I said there is a parish where clowns go to Mass, this famous blogger said I support clown masses. I believe this kind of Mandela effect is part of the anti-Vatican II hysteria.
"As a priset I know said to me that one can only receive graces from the OF Mass, in so far as they can enter into those graces. I, for one, cannot do as well with the OF as opposed to the EF Mass."
Thank you, sir. I will say, regards what my priest friend said (bottom comment) I agree with him to the degree that I have been at OF Masses and not even felt as if I had gone because of far too many pole in the sanctuary (distributors') lousy liturgical music and "turn around a greet your neighbor" before Mass. I have seen video footage of the Anglican Ordinariate and would feel far more at home, as I see it appears far tighter and closer to the vest, so to speak there than a lot of OF masses. If I were forced to join an OF parish then I'd opt out and attend with the Maronite parish or at the twice monthly Byzantine Liturgy at the very same parish.
Those issues are reasonable concerns. We use more traditional music. I was asked to consider the more contemporary hymns by other baby boomers such as myself, but I indicated that those younger than we are don't like them.
I don't do the turn around and greet your neighbor at Mass as I don't like it either..
I have a friend who celebrates the Anglican Ordinariate Mass, former Anglican now Catholic, and I appreciate what he does. He is also just a wealth of info.
Thank you for the wonderful response.
'The next pope may lift some of the restrictions, but he will most likely not return us to those days because that would give people the world the way they want it that would be truly demonic.'
No, he won't do that. If one wonders why there are 'dissidents" it is because those who prefer to worship with the Mass of the Ages is because it fostered the majority of the great saints of Catholicism. That they, (traditional minded Catholics) are constantly berated by the hierarchy for just wishing to go about their Catholic lives in the ,manner that Catholics did before the tumult of Vatican II is obvious; Look at what has been lost in terms of Mass attendance, belief in the True Presence of the Eucharist, vocations, etc. What good has cone from VCII and it's novelties?? As a priset I know said to me that one can only receive graces from the OF Mass, in so far as they can enter into those graces. I, for one, cannot do as well with the OF as opposed to the EF Mass.
Thank you for reading and commenting. "it fostered the majority of the great saints of Catholicism."
Actually that is not fully true. The Mass from the Council of Trent brought a unity to the celebration of the Mass. Many great saints did not celebrate or participate in that Mass—i.e. any saint who lived before the 16th Century such as St. Francis of Assisi, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Great, St. Athanasius, etc., etc., etc.
"That they, (traditional minded Catholics) are constantly berated by the hierarchy for just wishing to go about their Catholic lives in the ,manner that Catholics did before the tumult of Vatican II is obvious."
Traditionally minded Catholics is not the issue. It is the attitudes that celebrate the idea that "Many are going to Hell unlike us," and the "We are the true Catholics unlike them."
"Look at what has been lost . . ."
The cause of those changes is not the Mass, it is the lack of full understanding of what the Church actually teaches and the lack of ability to explain it that left people to leave. That preceded Vatican II. Granted there were novelties in the beginning but I have not seen all these strange liturgies I keep hearing people discuss. It certainly does not happen at St. Anthony Parish here in Allston.
For example: One famous blogger said I support clown masses which I do not. There is a parish in Florida near the home of the Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus. Current and retired circus employees and performers go to Mass there. They are not in their 'uniform'. Because I said there is a parish where clowns go to Mass, this famous blogger said I support clown masses. I believe this kind of Mandela effect is part of the anti-Vatican II hysteria.
"As a priset I know said to me that one can only receive graces from the OF Mass, in so far as they can enter into those graces. I, for one, cannot do as well with the OF as opposed to the EF Mass."
I do not agree with that priest at all.
Thanks again for reading and commenting.
Thank you, sir. I will say, regards what my priest friend said (bottom comment) I agree with him to the degree that I have been at OF Masses and not even felt as if I had gone because of far too many pole in the sanctuary (distributors') lousy liturgical music and "turn around a greet your neighbor" before Mass. I have seen video footage of the Anglican Ordinariate and would feel far more at home, as I see it appears far tighter and closer to the vest, so to speak there than a lot of OF masses. If I were forced to join an OF parish then I'd opt out and attend with the Maronite parish or at the twice monthly Byzantine Liturgy at the very same parish.